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	<title>Comments on: The Alberta oil boys network spins global warming into cooling</title>
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	<description>Exploring climate science disinformation in Canada</description>
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		<title>By: Do you subscribe to James Lovelock's conclusion that it's too late to stop the effects of GW? - Page 5 - PriusChat Forums</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/04/09/the-alberta-oil-boys-network-spins-global-warming-into-cooling/#comment-1006</link>
		<dc:creator>Do you subscribe to James Lovelock's conclusion that it's too late to stop the effects of GW? - Page 5 - PriusChat Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John A. Jauregui</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/04/09/the-alberta-oil-boys-network-spins-global-warming-into-cooling/#comment-892</link>
		<dc:creator>John A. Jauregui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>…the interaction of science, advocacy and politics in both the global warming and eugenics cases share a number of characteristics:

•	Powerful advocacy groups claiming to represent both science and the public in the name of morality and superior wisdom.

•	Simplistic depictions of the underlying science so as to facilitate widespread ‘understanding.’

•	‘Events’, real or contrived, interpreted in such a manner as to promote a sense of urgency in the public at large.

•	Scientists flattered by public attention and deferent to ‘political will’ and popular assessment of virtue.

•	Significant numbers of scientists eager to produce the science demanded by the ‘public.’

Prof. R. S. Lindzen, MIT

[&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;DC:&lt;/strong&gt; Can this possibly be a serious comment? Alas, it appears the answer is yes. It&#039;s off topic, though - you have been warned&lt;/em&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>…the interaction of science, advocacy and politics in both the global warming and eugenics cases share a number of characteristics:</p>
<p>•	Powerful advocacy groups claiming to represent both science and the public in the name of morality and superior wisdom.</p>
<p>•	Simplistic depictions of the underlying science so as to facilitate widespread ‘understanding.’</p>
<p>•	‘Events’, real or contrived, interpreted in such a manner as to promote a sense of urgency in the public at large.</p>
<p>•	Scientists flattered by public attention and deferent to ‘political will’ and popular assessment of virtue.</p>
<p>•	Significant numbers of scientists eager to produce the science demanded by the ‘public.’</p>
<p>Prof. R. S. Lindzen, MIT</p>
<p>[<em><strong>DC:</strong> Can this possibly be a serious comment? Alas, it appears the answer is yes. It's off topic, though - you have been warned</em>]</p>
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		<title>By: Anatomy of a lie: How Marc Morano and Lorne Gunter spun Mojab Latif&#8217;s remarks out of control &#171; Deep Climate</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/04/09/the-alberta-oil-boys-network-spins-global-warming-into-cooling/#comment-460</link>
		<dc:creator>Anatomy of a lie: How Marc Morano and Lorne Gunter spun Mojab Latif&#8217;s remarks out of control &#171; Deep Climate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 01:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] seem to write a single paragraph on climate science without getting something wrong (for instance here, here and here), goes through an elaborate teasing setup. Latif&#8217;s change of heart, Gunter [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] seem to write a single paragraph on climate science without getting something wrong (for instance here, here and here), goes through an elaborate teasing setup. Latif&#8217;s change of heart, Gunter [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Hosemann</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/04/09/the-alberta-oil-boys-network-spins-global-warming-into-cooling/#comment-251</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Hosemann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 18:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the response. Still curious as to the mechanism that allows the temperature to depart from increasing while the catalyst concentration is monotonically increasing. Natural inputs to the system (volcanic eruptions), cause instantaneous changes.

Your last statement &quot;Of course, there have been no decade-over-decade declines in the last forty years&quot; seems at variance with your assertion that you have only valid data since 1979.  One, that is only 30 years, and two we have experienced static or &quot;slightly decreasing temperatures since 1998.  Can you offer an explanation, including natural forcings that have offset the anthropogenic CO2 forcing since 1998?

&lt;em&gt;[DC: The satellite-based tropospheric record goes back to 1979, but the surface records all show decadal increases in the 1980s relative to the 1970s. So my statement stands.

Comparison to the single year 1998 is misleading. When one compares decades or longer intervals there is absolutely no evidence of &quot;static&quot; or &quot;decreasing&quot; temperatures. None whatsoever. 

Within the 2000s, we do see natural variation from year to year, much of it from ENSO. Nevertheless, 2008 was the &lt;strong&gt;tenth warmest year in the instrumental record&lt;/strong&gt;, but was relatively cool compared to immediately preceding years, due to confluence of a pronounced La Nina and a longer than usual inter-cycle solar trough.]&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the response. Still curious as to the mechanism that allows the temperature to depart from increasing while the catalyst concentration is monotonically increasing. Natural inputs to the system (volcanic eruptions), cause instantaneous changes.</p>
<p>Your last statement &#8220;Of course, there have been no decade-over-decade declines in the last forty years&#8221; seems at variance with your assertion that you have only valid data since 1979.  One, that is only 30 years, and two we have experienced static or &#8220;slightly decreasing temperatures since 1998.  Can you offer an explanation, including natural forcings that have offset the anthropogenic CO2 forcing since 1998?</p>
<p><em>[DC: The satellite-based tropospheric record goes back to 1979, but the surface records all show decadal increases in the 1980s relative to the 1970s. So my statement stands.</p>
<p>Comparison to the single year 1998 is misleading. When one compares decades or longer intervals there is absolutely no evidence of "static" or "decreasing" temperatures. None whatsoever. </p>
<p>Within the 2000s, we do see natural variation from year to year, much of it from ENSO. Nevertheless, 2008 was the <strong>tenth warmest year in the instrumental record</strong>, but was relatively cool compared to immediately preceding years, due to confluence of a pronounced La Nina and a longer than usual inter-cycle solar trough.]</em></p>
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		<title>By: Phil Hosemann</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/04/09/the-alberta-oil-boys-network-spins-global-warming-into-cooling/#comment-229</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Hosemann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wondered why your statistical analysis did not include the years 1940 to 1979, for which data is readily available? What would the the straight line fit for the expanded period be? 

Do you have an explanation why there are periods of temperature decline when the CO2 curve shows relentless increase?

&lt;em&gt;[DC: This article discusses contarian &quot;analysis&quot; of the satellite-derived tropospheric temperature record. That record exists only from 1979. There is no satrellite data before that time.

Twentieth century global temperature, including the slight decline between roughly 1940 and 1970, can only be explained by a combination of increasing anthropogenic influence and various natural factors. Please see IPCC Chapter 9 Executive Summary or the &lt;a href=&quot;http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/FAQ/wg1_faq-9.2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;IPCC FAQ 9.2&lt;/a&gt;. Of course, there have been no decade-over-decade declines in the last forty years.]&lt;/em&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wondered why your statistical analysis did not include the years 1940 to 1979, for which data is readily available? What would the the straight line fit for the expanded period be? </p>
<p>Do you have an explanation why there are periods of temperature decline when the CO2 curve shows relentless increase?</p>
<p><em>[DC: This article discusses contarian "analysis" of the satellite-derived tropospheric temperature record. That record exists only from 1979. There is no satrellite data before that time.</p>
<p>Twentieth century global temperature, including the slight decline between roughly 1940 and 1970, can only be explained by a combination of increasing anthropogenic influence and various natural factors. Please see IPCC Chapter 9 Executive Summary or the <a href="http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/FAQ/wg1_faq-9.2.html" rel="nofollow">IPCC FAQ 9.2</a>. Of course, there have been no decade-over-decade declines in the last forty years.]</em></p>
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		<title>By: Susan Anderson</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/04/09/the-alberta-oil-boys-network-spins-global-warming-into-cooling/#comment-228</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 20:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this.  Amazingly well done!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this.  Amazingly well done!</p>
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		<title>By: More heavy lifting from the &#8220;suppressed&#8221; Alan Carlin &#171; Deep Climate</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/04/09/the-alberta-oil-boys-network-spins-global-warming-into-cooling/#comment-167</link>
		<dc:creator>More heavy lifting from the &#8220;suppressed&#8221; Alan Carlin &#171; Deep Climate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] trend&#8221;. (Of course, at the risk of repeating myself, this has been debunked thoroughly here, there and everywhere, as John Lennon might have put [...]</description>
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		<title>By: gzuckier</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/04/09/the-alberta-oil-boys-network-spins-global-warming-into-cooling/#comment-154</link>
		<dc:creator>gzuckier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To sum up:

Creating &#039;ground-up&#039; models of climate using the known behaviors and effects and the most accurate current estimates of their values and coefficients: bad use of computers, phony baloney models, can predict anything/can&#039;t even predict current climate.

Modeling temperature as simple sixth power of time: brilliantly incisive mathematical proof of cyclic nature of temperature.

So glad that&#039;s all cleared up now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To sum up:</p>
<p>Creating &#8216;ground-up&#8217; models of climate using the known behaviors and effects and the most accurate current estimates of their values and coefficients: bad use of computers, phony baloney models, can predict anything/can&#8217;t even predict current climate.</p>
<p>Modeling temperature as simple sixth power of time: brilliantly incisive mathematical proof of cyclic nature of temperature.</p>
<p>So glad that&#8217;s all cleared up now.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Suppressed&#8221; Carlin report based on Pat Michaels attack on EPA &#171; Deep Climate</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/04/09/the-alberta-oil-boys-network-spins-global-warming-into-cooling/#comment-128</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;Suppressed&#8221; Carlin report based on Pat Michaels attack on EPA &#171; Deep Climate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and debunked innumerable times, but if you must you can look at two of my recent modest efforts here and here, or innumerable posts at RealClimate [e.g here] or Tamino&#8217;s Open Mind [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and debunked innumerable times, but if you must you can look at two of my recent modest efforts here and here, or innumerable posts at RealClimate [e.g here] or Tamino&#8217;s Open Mind [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Maintaining the Consensus &#171; the Air Vent</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/04/09/the-alberta-oil-boys-network-spins-global-warming-into-cooling/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>Maintaining the Consensus &#171; the Air Vent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 04:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeff Id  // April 10, 2009 at 2:57 pm [...]</description>
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