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		<title>By: Snapple</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/10/07/let-the-backpedalling-begin/#comment-12635</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snapple]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 17:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mendacious people who spread falsehoods on the Internet about the alleged fabrications of climate scientists often claim that the famous Penn State climate scientist Dr. Michael Mann has kept his data secret. Actually, as Dr. Mann&#039;s 1995 letter to Congressman Barton states, Dr. Mann&#039;s data is available on Internet at government and university sites.

Dr. Mann&#039;s computer programs are a secret because they are his private intellectual property; still, researchers can develop their own computer codes and use Mann&#039;s data to verify his results. Scholars have replicated Dr. Mann&#039;s results by using his data with their own computer programs.

Researchers need not have access to exactly the same computer programs (or “code”) as Dr. Mann developed. Dr. Mann&#039;s results can be replicated using his underlying data and methodologies. See the letter (7-15-05) that Dr. Mann sent to the corrupt Congressman Joe Barton explaining the true facts and listing the Internet sites where his data was stored in 2005.

The MBH [Mann-Bradley-Hughes] data have been publicly available for more than a decade now! When Dr. Mann moved from U.Va, the same information and data were maintained through his Penn State research site.

Here is a link that has links to data. http://legendofpineridge.blogspot.com/2011/11/dr-michael-manns-data-is-available-on.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mendacious people who spread falsehoods on the Internet about the alleged fabrications of climate scientists often claim that the famous Penn State climate scientist Dr. Michael Mann has kept his data secret. Actually, as Dr. Mann&#8217;s 1995 letter to Congressman Barton states, Dr. Mann&#8217;s data is available on Internet at government and university sites.</p>
<p>Dr. Mann&#8217;s computer programs are a secret because they are his private intellectual property; still, researchers can develop their own computer codes and use Mann&#8217;s data to verify his results. Scholars have replicated Dr. Mann&#8217;s results by using his data with their own computer programs.</p>
<p>Researchers need not have access to exactly the same computer programs (or “code”) as Dr. Mann developed. Dr. Mann&#8217;s results can be replicated using his underlying data and methodologies. See the letter (7-15-05) that Dr. Mann sent to the corrupt Congressman Joe Barton explaining the true facts and listing the Internet sites where his data was stored in 2005.</p>
<p>The MBH [Mann-Bradley-Hughes] data have been publicly available for more than a decade now! When Dr. Mann moved from U.Va, the same information and data were maintained through his Penn State research site.</p>
<p>Here is a link that has links to data. <a href="http://legendofpineridge.blogspot.com/2011/11/dr-michael-manns-data-is-available-on.html" rel="nofollow">http://legendofpineridge.blogspot.com/2011/11/dr-michael-manns-data-is-available-on.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: J Bowers</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/10/07/let-the-backpedalling-begin/#comment-12633</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J Bowers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 16:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If a scientist’s study cannot be replicated, then the study is basically useless.&quot;

As an example, CRU&#039;s work has been replicated to death, even by sceptics. I guess you won&#039;t admit to your error, though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If a scientist’s study cannot be replicated, then the study is basically useless.&#8221;</p>
<p>As an example, CRU&#8217;s work has been replicated to death, even by sceptics. I guess you won&#8217;t admit to your error, though.</p>
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		<title>By: MartinM</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/10/07/let-the-backpedalling-begin/#comment-12632</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MartinM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 15:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;. If a scientist wants to confirm his study, then he needs to publish ALL his data, methodology, code, etc. so others can replicate his work and confirm his conclusions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Rubbish. Back when McIntyre and co were harassing the CRU with frivolous FOIA requests, It was already possible to replicate HadCRUT using only the papers describing their methodology and the ~98% of the data which was already freely available. Didn&#039;t even take long; anyone halfway competent could do it in an afternoon, with a bit of effort.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>. If a scientist wants to confirm his study, then he needs to publish ALL his data, methodology, code, etc. so others can replicate his work and confirm his conclusions.</p></blockquote>
<p>Rubbish. Back when McIntyre and co were harassing the CRU with frivolous FOIA requests, It was already possible to replicate HadCRUT using only the papers describing their methodology and the ~98% of the data which was already freely available. Didn&#8217;t even take long; anyone halfway competent could do it in an afternoon, with a bit of effort.</p>
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		<title>By: Deep Climate</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/10/07/let-the-backpedalling-begin/#comment-12628</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deep Climate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 23:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most of Briffa&#039;s studies relied on data from other researchers, to which he applied his own methods (these are very well described in Briffa&#039;s papers). I&#039;m not aware that Briffa received FOI request for tree-ring measurement data. I do know that in the Yamal case he directed McIntyre to his Russian colleague, who did supply McIntyre the requested data. This was the same data used in all the Yamal analyses, as should have been clear to McIntyre (I don&#039;t think he checked the references, or else he would have known this).

McIntyre&#039;s complaints about Briffa (and hence your own) are completely unfounded.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of Briffa&#8217;s studies relied on data from other researchers, to which he applied his own methods (these are very well described in Briffa&#8217;s papers). I&#8217;m not aware that Briffa received FOI request for tree-ring measurement data. I do know that in the Yamal case he directed McIntyre to his Russian colleague, who did supply McIntyre the requested data. This was the same data used in all the Yamal analyses, as should have been clear to McIntyre (I don&#8217;t think he checked the references, or else he would have known this).</p>
<p>McIntyre&#8217;s complaints about Briffa (and hence your own) are completely unfounded.</p>
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		<title>By: ThePhysicsGuy</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/10/07/let-the-backpedalling-begin/#comment-12621</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ThePhysicsGuy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Much of this &quot;drama&quot; could be avoided if IPCC scientists would strictly adhere to the tenets of the scientific method.  

The last 2 basic steps of the scientific method are: 1.  Communicate your results and, 2.  Retest.  The retesting is often performed by other scientists.  

If a scientist&#039;s study cannot be replicated, then the study is basically useless.  If a scientist wants to confirm his study, then he needs to publish ALL his data, methodology, code, etc. so others can replicate his work and confirm his conclusions.  A true scientist should welcome any and all attempts to prove him wrong.  The goal is to come to the correct scientific conclusion, right?  

So I have no sympathy for Briffa, the CRU, the University of East Anglia, or any other organization that refuses FOI requests for release of data.  A FOI request should not even be necessary in the first place. They are just shooting themselves in the foot, All this does is reduce or eliminate the public&#039;s confidence in the climate science community, because it gives the appearance that the scientists are trying to hide something.  Climategate was a huge blow to the climate science in general, and the emails sure seem to indicate that the &quot;cause&quot; is more important than the science.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much of this &#8220;drama&#8221; could be avoided if IPCC scientists would strictly adhere to the tenets of the scientific method.  </p>
<p>The last 2 basic steps of the scientific method are: 1.  Communicate your results and, 2.  Retest.  The retesting is often performed by other scientists.  </p>
<p>If a scientist&#8217;s study cannot be replicated, then the study is basically useless.  If a scientist wants to confirm his study, then he needs to publish ALL his data, methodology, code, etc. so others can replicate his work and confirm his conclusions.  A true scientist should welcome any and all attempts to prove him wrong.  The goal is to come to the correct scientific conclusion, right?  </p>
<p>So I have no sympathy for Briffa, the CRU, the University of East Anglia, or any other organization that refuses FOI requests for release of data.  A FOI request should not even be necessary in the first place. They are just shooting themselves in the foot, All this does is reduce or eliminate the public&#8217;s confidence in the climate science community, because it gives the appearance that the scientists are trying to hide something.  Climategate was a huge blow to the climate science in general, and the emails sure seem to indicate that the &#8220;cause&#8221; is more important than the science.</p>
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		<title>By: IOP Energy Group Founder featured speaker at upcoming Heartland conference &#171; Deep Climate</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/10/07/let-the-backpedalling-begin/#comment-2946</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IOP Energy Group Founder featured speaker at upcoming Heartland conference &#171; Deep Climate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 23:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] is belied by Briffa&#8217;s referral of McIntyre to the original researcher, not to mention  McIntyre&#8217;s possession of the data in question all along. And it was only one of several statements that appeared to try and convict CRU scientists before [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is belied by Briffa&#8217;s referral of McIntyre to the original researcher, not to mention  McIntyre&#8217;s possession of the data in question all along. And it was only one of several statements that appeared to try and convict CRU scientists before [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Carpefriggingdiem</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/10/07/let-the-backpedalling-begin/#comment-1121</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carpefriggingdiem]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What?  No comments since the email bust?  Interesting.

&lt;em&gt;[DC: They&#039;re all commenting at the 99% of blogs that &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;are &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;discussing it. But be patient ...]&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What?  No comments since the email bust?  Interesting.</p>
<p><em>[DC: They're all commenting at the 99% of blogs that <strong><em>are </em></strong>discussing it. But be patient ...]</em></p>
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		<title>By: Briffa teaches, but will McIntyre ever learn? &#171; Deep Climate</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/10/07/let-the-backpedalling-begin/#comment-852</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Briffa teaches, but will McIntyre ever learn? &#171; Deep Climate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] on Vaclav Smil on climate change:&#8230;MapleLeaf on Vaclav Smil on climate change:&#8230;Lars on Let the backpedalling&#160;beg&#8230;WAG on Let the backpedalling&#160;beg&#8230;Deech56 on Let the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on Vaclav Smil on climate change:&hellip;MapleLeaf on Vaclav Smil on climate change:&hellip;Lars on Let the backpedalling&nbsp;beg&hellip;WAG on Let the backpedalling&nbsp;beg&hellip;Deech56 on Let the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lars</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/10/07/let-the-backpedalling-begin/#comment-848</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lars]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Add it all up and you have a filibuster. Keep talking and it will stop the rest of the participants from getting anything done.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Part of the point, I would suspect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Add it all up and you have a filibuster. Keep talking and it will stop the rest of the participants from getting anything done.</p></blockquote>
<p>Part of the point, I would suspect.</p>
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		<title>By: WAG</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/10/07/let-the-backpedalling-begin/#comment-761</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WAG]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[another reason not to get bogged down in hockey stick debates is that we don&#039;t *need* to know what past temperatures were to understand that a doubling or tripling of CO2 will have major effects on the climate (at the bottom of this post):

http://akwag.blogspot.com/2009/10/cold-logic-of-hockey-sticks.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another reason not to get bogged down in hockey stick debates is that we don&#8217;t *need* to know what past temperatures were to understand that a doubling or tripling of CO2 will have major effects on the climate (at the bottom of this post):</p>
<p><a href="http://akwag.blogspot.com/2009/10/cold-logic-of-hockey-sticks.html" rel="nofollow">http://akwag.blogspot.com/2009/10/cold-logic-of-hockey-sticks.html</a></p>
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