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		<title>By: IOP Energy Group Founder featured speaker at upcoming Heartland conference &#171; Deep Climate</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/10/07/let-the-backpedalling-begin/#comment-2946</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IOP Energy Group Founder featured speaker at upcoming Heartland conference &#171; Deep Climate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 23:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] is belied by Briffa&#8217;s referral of McIntyre to the original researcher, not to mention  McIntyre&#8217;s possession of the data in question all along. And it was only one of several statements that appeared to try and convict CRU scientists before [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is belied by Briffa&#8217;s referral of McIntyre to the original researcher, not to mention  McIntyre&#8217;s possession of the data in question all along. And it was only one of several statements that appeared to try and convict CRU scientists before [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Carpefriggingdiem</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/10/07/let-the-backpedalling-begin/#comment-1121</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carpefriggingdiem]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What?  No comments since the email bust?  Interesting.

&lt;em&gt;[DC: They&#039;re all commenting at the 99% of blogs that &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;are &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;discussing it. But be patient ...]&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What?  No comments since the email bust?  Interesting.</p>
<p><em>[DC: They're all commenting at the 99% of blogs that <strong><em>are </em></strong>discussing it. But be patient ...]</em></p>
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		<title>By: Briffa teaches, but will McIntyre ever learn? &#171; Deep Climate</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/10/07/let-the-backpedalling-begin/#comment-852</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Briffa teaches, but will McIntyre ever learn? &#171; Deep Climate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] on Vaclav Smil on climate change:&#8230;MapleLeaf on Vaclav Smil on climate change:&#8230;Lars on Let the backpedalling&#160;beg&#8230;WAG on Let the backpedalling&#160;beg&#8230;Deech56 on Let the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on Vaclav Smil on climate change:&hellip;MapleLeaf on Vaclav Smil on climate change:&hellip;Lars on Let the backpedalling&nbsp;beg&hellip;WAG on Let the backpedalling&nbsp;beg&hellip;Deech56 on Let the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lars</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/10/07/let-the-backpedalling-begin/#comment-848</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lars]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Add it all up and you have a filibuster. Keep talking and it will stop the rest of the participants from getting anything done.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Part of the point, I would suspect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Add it all up and you have a filibuster. Keep talking and it will stop the rest of the participants from getting anything done.</p></blockquote>
<p>Part of the point, I would suspect.</p>
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		<title>By: WAG</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/10/07/let-the-backpedalling-begin/#comment-761</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WAG]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[another reason not to get bogged down in hockey stick debates is that we don&#039;t *need* to know what past temperatures were to understand that a doubling or tripling of CO2 will have major effects on the climate (at the bottom of this post):

http://akwag.blogspot.com/2009/10/cold-logic-of-hockey-sticks.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another reason not to get bogged down in hockey stick debates is that we don&#8217;t *need* to know what past temperatures were to understand that a doubling or tripling of CO2 will have major effects on the climate (at the bottom of this post):</p>
<p><a href="http://akwag.blogspot.com/2009/10/cold-logic-of-hockey-sticks.html" rel="nofollow">http://akwag.blogspot.com/2009/10/cold-logic-of-hockey-sticks.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Deech56</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/10/07/let-the-backpedalling-begin/#comment-698</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deech56]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looks like Keith Briffa has a couple of posts in response to all the ruckus raised by McIntyre, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/briffa/yamal2009/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/briffa/yamal2009/cautious/cautious.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Of course, McIntyre has a post up already. I did like Simon Donner&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://simondonner.blogspot.com/2009/10/climate-science-filibuster.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;characterization&lt;/a&gt; of this discussion:&lt;blockquote&gt;There are only 24 hours in a day. It&#039;s a zero sum game. There may be some value in individual aspects of McIntrye&#039;s statistical criticisms of the hockey stick work over the year. A lot of it has been off the mark too. Either way, dealing with the constant hockey stick criticisms slows important research by paleo-climatologists work.

Add it all up and you have a filibuster. Keep talking and it will stop the rest of the participants from getting anything done.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like Keith Briffa has a couple of posts in response to all the ruckus raised by McIntyre, <a href="http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/briffa/yamal2009/" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/briffa/yamal2009/cautious/cautious.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Of course, McIntyre has a post up already. I did like Simon Donner&#8217;s <a href="http://simondonner.blogspot.com/2009/10/climate-science-filibuster.html" rel="nofollow">characterization</a> of this discussion:<br />
<blockquote>There are only 24 hours in a day. It&#8217;s a zero sum game. There may be some value in individual aspects of McIntrye&#8217;s statistical criticisms of the hockey stick work over the year. A lot of it has been off the mark too. Either way, dealing with the constant hockey stick criticisms slows important research by paleo-climatologists work.</p>
<p>Add it all up and you have a filibuster. Keep talking and it will stop the rest of the participants from getting anything done.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Marion Delgado</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/10/07/let-the-backpedalling-begin/#comment-683</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marion Delgado]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Deep Climate:

Thanks for your response - I am going to see how much I can pin down about the whole Nature thing w/r/t what happened after E&amp;E. It&#039;s worthwhile because frankly, while Lindzen does rise to the level of someone who&#039;s a scientist who understands, or should, a lot of climate science, neither McIntyre nor McKitrick do, at all, and the more we can peel them away and give them their proper status the better. Pielke Jr. is basically a political scientist, as is Lomborg, Mcintyre and Plimer are mining geologists, and McKitrick is an economist. None of them should have any believablitiy on climate that they don&#039;t demonstrate. 

Nature Pubs often takes a hands-off approach to denialism - their climate discussion blog was chock full of nonsense mixed with reality. And frankly, Keith Kloor&#039;s presence there as a columnist is a bad sign, because he&#039;s the epitome of the science-must-always-be-balanced-by-anti-science-advocacy-or-you&#039;re-censoring-Gallileo-and-you&#039;re-doing-shrill-advocacy-for-environmentalism absurdity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deep Climate:</p>
<p>Thanks for your response &#8211; I am going to see how much I can pin down about the whole Nature thing w/r/t what happened after E&amp;E. It&#8217;s worthwhile because frankly, while Lindzen does rise to the level of someone who&#8217;s a scientist who understands, or should, a lot of climate science, neither McIntyre nor McKitrick do, at all, and the more we can peel them away and give them their proper status the better. Pielke Jr. is basically a political scientist, as is Lomborg, Mcintyre and Plimer are mining geologists, and McKitrick is an economist. None of them should have any believablitiy on climate that they don&#8217;t demonstrate. </p>
<p>Nature Pubs often takes a hands-off approach to denialism &#8211; their climate discussion blog was chock full of nonsense mixed with reality. And frankly, Keith Kloor&#8217;s presence there as a columnist is a bad sign, because he&#8217;s the epitome of the science-must-always-be-balanced-by-anti-science-advocacy-or-you&#8217;re-censoring-Gallileo-and-you&#8217;re-doing-shrill-advocacy-for-environmentalism absurdity.</p>
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		<title>By: Neven</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/10/07/let-the-backpedalling-begin/#comment-632</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neven]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the answers, DC!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the answers, DC!</p>
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		<title>By: Yamal IV: Growth Curves and Sample Size &#171; delayed.oscillator</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/10/07/let-the-backpedalling-begin/#comment-623</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yamal IV: Growth Curves and Sample Size &#171; delayed.oscillator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] a comment &#187;  Via Deep Climate, I found this post by Jeff Id at The Air Vent. Comments there and elsewhere lead me to believe [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a comment &raquo;  Via Deep Climate, I found this post by Jeff Id at The Air Vent. Comments there and elsewhere lead me to believe [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dhogaza</title>
		<link>http://deepclimate.org/2009/10/07/let-the-backpedalling-begin/#comment-621</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dhogaza]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SBVOR&#039;s website isn&#039;t even humorous - the quality of trolls one meets has really dropped significantly in the last few years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SBVOR&#8217;s website isn&#8217;t even humorous &#8211; the quality of trolls one meets has really dropped significantly in the last few years.</p>
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